The Pros and Cons of Earning World Ranking Points
question of the week [Sept. 26-Oct. 1]: Should LIV Golf events be awarded Official World Golf Ranking points – why or why not?
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No. No cut, no stitches.
Victoria, British Columbia
The easy answer is no.
The OWGR was in place long before LIV Golf existed. It was well established and had been tweaked and adjusted where it was fair to all parties involved and enjoyed credibility in the golf world. It was and is a useful tool in determining who is eligible for various tournaments.
LIV created a new model that completely ignored the rules of the OWGR and yet expected the OWGR and the rest of the golf world to welcome them because they have a handful of the best golfers in the world on their roster.
The OWGR is based on the strength of the course, not the strength of half a dozen golfers. There are rules about the size of the course, the number of holes played, and other factors that LIV completely ignored when designing their new product. LIV could have consulted with OWGR during the design phase, but she knew the format would not be acceptable. LIV wanted to do what she wanted to do and figured she could force a presence on the OWGR after recruiting a few top golfers. LIV is trying to disrupt a healthy and efficient system and should not be allowed to do so.
Cape Girardeau, Missouri
Absolutely. The LIV Golf players are just as good as the PGA Tour guys. Most of them came from the PGA Tour and helped make the Tour what it is.
Grand Haven, Michigan
Given that LIV Golf does not currently meet the qualification criteria that the OWGR organization has used for 40 years, of course not. It’s so simple.
LIV Golf, which has only been around for a few months, has no right to dictate terms.
My answer is yes, but the points should be greatly reduced to take into account the weak ground, the lack of cutting and the fact that the events are only 54 holes long. OWGR can come up with a formula the same way it assesses the strength of different tours.
No World Golf Ranking points should be awarded to LIV golfers for playing in a three-day exhibition. LIV is a cash grab, and players and [commissioner] Greg Norman should just acknowledge it and continue on the path they have chosen.
LIV golfers should not receive world ranking points until they comply with the current rules or the rules are changed to fit the league – which I hope the committee will not do) . LIV golfers either knew of the deal when they signed or they were misled about getting world ranking points. One or the other, they have made their bed and now they must lie in it. Collect the money until things change and move on. There’s no denying that LIV has several world-class golfers – Dustin Johnson and Cam Smith are first to mind. They and at least 46 others chose the silver. They now have to wait for the system to work on its own, if that happens.
No points for people who went to LIV Golf. The players knew the rules. They made a choice and knew the consequences. They took the money and need to take responsibility for their actions. Be firm Mr. [Jay] monahan, [the PGA Tour commissioner].
Absolutely not. These are invitations and not real golf tournaments. LIV Golf plays with shotgun tees and only 54 holes, with no cuts and with limited courses. You might as well start awarding OWGR points to every invitational event and guest-member country club around the world. It is not because they play for colossal sums that the quality of the event is legitimized.
If there is a formula – strength of the course, holes played, challenge of the course, etc. – then I would expect the OWGR to be applied to LIV Golf as it applies to any other leagues or tournaments. Assuming that’s how they handle it, I don’t know, and I don’t really care about men’s pro golf right now.
If not, and the majors and other OWGR power brokers decide to wring their tails, then fine.
In three to five years, we will know if the Saudis were there for the long haul and how this is all going to play out. I am currently skimming and skimming my golf content, right above anything LIV or PGA Tour related.
My answer is that LIV Golf absolutely should not receive world golf points. The reason is simple, those who chose to move to the LIV league did so for the money. Let them stay with it. Why should they be allowed to benefit from the PGA and DP World tours that have given them so much? If I left one company to join another for money, why should I expect to benefit from the company I left? I shouldn’t and wouldn’t.
Absolutely not. Besides the obvious circus – like context and structure – of LIV Golf’s meaningless exhibits, the fact is that they are bought to play and there is no merit. The Greats – Jack Nicklaus, Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan, Serena Williams, Wayne Gretzky, Mark Spitz, Tom Brady, et al. — have competed for the titles, legacy, honor, integrity and good of their sport. It wasn’t a question of money.
No OWGR points for LIV.
Waxhaw, North Carolina
LIV Golf does not meet the established criteria. The events remind me of a three-day guest member.
The international members who jumped ship for LIV took the cash and thumbed their noses at the international team members in this year’s President’s Cup. We’ll never know if it would have been a closer result. The same can be said of avid American LIV members.
I was impressed that Trevor Immelman did a stellar job as captain of his International team and made it a sure thing to watch until the end.
Excellent work by the American team. Go to the United States!
North Haven, Connecticut
No, categorically. There is no full field, there are no cups, there are no qualifying opportunities, money is fully guaranteed for all participants. Can you spell “exposure”?
To be consistent, the Hero World Challenge should also not receive world ranking points. The metric for World Ranking Points should be similar across all events, whether it’s LIV Golf or the PGA Tour.
Of course not.
There is simply no comparison between competitive golf tournaments on the PGA Tour and exhibitions involving 48 participants played on 54 holes.
There are only 10 golfers who have joined LIV Golf who are even relevant at this point.
It’s great for them to have their money guaranteed and I don’t blame them, but their days of playing in the majors and representing in established international competitions should be over.
ONLY ONE CHOICE
question of the week [Sept. 19-25]: If you could only play on courses designed by one golf course architect, who would that architect be and why?
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Why? Just look at his work: Fisher’s Island, Shinnecock, Greenbrier, Yeamans Hall, Waialae, The Lido, Shoreacres, Yale, Mid-Ocean. He was CB Macdonald’s engineer, for God’s sake. Raynor sculpted and drained the National Golf Links and the Chicago Golf Club.
With Macdonald they delivered “model holes” in the United States – Redan, Hogs Back, Biarritz, Lido, etc. Raynor’s courses still hold up incredibly well today (several in the golf summary Top 100). They are usually right in front of you and undeceived. He was prolific for his limited tenure in the business.
Grand Haven, Michigan
Donald Ross. Simply the best stroke values in golf.
Lake Norman, North Carolina
Solid routings, high shot values, good mix of variety while keeping a core design style – multiple ways to attack the hole, risk/reward and non-penalty.
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